What do you do when a rider goes down???

CAPTKEN28 · 05-01-2003, 02:00 PM

The last run i went on got me thinking this past week.I watched two riders lowslide in front of me..and when i got off my bike and ran to their aid...i really didn;t know what i could do/ or what to do first..

Are there any medics out there that can briefly list what to do in an emergency? I think this is something all riders should know and any advice would be helpful..

Thanks is advance

Ken

Breezio · 05-01-2003, 07:32 PM

screw the bike.. help the rider and don't move them if they are in pain. unless they are in immediate danger from traffic or something. although if the bike is still running.. hit the kill switch as you run past.

doc_rock · 05-01-2003, 08:08 PM

Being a stunter, I'm around a lot of crashes. Here's what I usually do. First things first, if the rider's not moving, don't touch them, and don't let anybody else touch them. This includes girlfriends/wives/boyfriends/husbands that are out there. If they aren't moving, do NOT touch them. If they are complaining of a particular part of their body hurting (example being an ankle) visually inspect for any major damage (like bones poking through the skin, etc.) Completely support the injured piece (even if it requires help of somebody else. Imagine you are trying to lift a sandcastle, that's how well you need to support it. If they are wearing a boot, or a glove, or something, and you can be sure there's no broken bones brotruding out, remove it. Gently. Carefully. If it starts to hurt while you're removing it, stop. (The real medics on the site are going to tell you NOT to do this, let the paramedics get there and do it right, but if the paramedics take it off, they are liable to cut it off, and for a simple sprain, a $300.00 pair of boots being cut in half is a pain in the neck.) Just play everything by ear. Don't take off their helmt until they are sure their neck isn't messed up. Don't move them until they can sit up on their own, (if they are in the middle of the road, set up bikes around them to block them. If it's only you and them, then you may need to flag down some help). Above all, if there's anything you're NOT sure of, call somebody. Don't move them. Don't do anything unless you are sure of it.

Lifter67 · 05-01-2003, 09:08 PM

doc has the right idea. DONT MOVE THEM!!!!! that is the worst to do.

okaive · 05-01-2003, 09:09 PM

First thing I can recommend is take a CPR class. If possiable First Responder.

Whatever you do, DO NOT remove the helmet. If he is bleeding in the mouth and it needs to be drained, make sure that the body and head are moved in one direction at the same time. And the head is stiff with the body. You don't want to snap the neck.

One thing that I disagree with Doc is don't move the body what the stance is. If there is traffic, stop it. Don't damage the body anymore then it is. <---that is where people can get sue happy.

doc_rock · 05-01-2003, 10:29 PM

I never said move 'em!!!!! Not until they can sit up, and move on their own. I have noticed that a lot of crashes occur in blind corners or on interstates: Places it would be diffucult to stop traffic from either direction. Flag down some help to get the traffic stopped. I try not to move them at all, and let them move themselves. Or if it's something like a hurt foot or leg, help them move themselves. It may seem cold, but a lot of the time I won't get near enough to them they can even touch me until they've calmed down enough to decide where they are hurting. Okaive is 100% right, take a CPR course, and a basic first aid course, don't move the body let them move themselves. This will help you immensely. It's worth whatever small fee they charge for it, if they charge at all. It's really a case by case basis on what you do, and when you do it. The most important thing I can think of, though, above all else: Keep a calm and cool demeanor about yourself. If you panic too, you are useless to whomever is hurt.

CAPTKEN28 · 05-01-2003, 10:43 PM

Good stuff guys....Keep it coming...

Thanks guys
Ken

frankie lewczak · 05-01-2003, 10:50 PM

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Tungue · 05-02-2003, 08:09 AM

You guys left out the initial "Oh s**t! Oh c**p! etc." :agree

Definitely good advice to keep in mind. :thumbsup

liv2day · 05-02-2003, 01:50 PM

Doc and Okaive (and others) have given really good advice. Here's my $.02

If the riders are conscious, ask them to tell you their name, address, day of the week, year, etc. Continue to talk with the person as they might be going into shock. Ask them if they feel severe pain anywhere and try to stay as confident as possible (even if you see bones sticking out).

It's important to not move them until the paramedics arrive and know the situation. Don't let the injured person move on their own, either. Unless they are certain nothing's broken and are fully aware of their surroundings.

And take a CPR class just in case.

Sauron · 05-02-2003, 01:58 PM

Ken,
This is what's in the stickied 'group riding rules' under the CFCR Section (You might want to read the rest too :wink )

If there is an accident..

A) Don't' move the rider unless he cannot breath/impeded helmet in water puddle. mud etc.. (helmet came off something in his mouth)..then keep the neck straight as possible..

B) Know CPR.

C) do not pull out anything impaled braches etc... leave them in as pulling them out you may allow more bleeding

D) know how to use a tourniquet.

E) Call an ambulance be on safe side.

F) Search for emergency card inside jacket inside or under seat.

G) Turn off bike. shut off lanes of traffic place bike in lanes etc if necessary....
H) Find out where they are taking rider.

I) When cops show up.. Have a plan on what your going to tell them, as a group. Everyone has to agree on what your going to say. That's all I'm gonna say about this.

J) Don't' take off helmet!! Make sure it goes with them to hospital for docs.
Keep talking to them if concussed etc.. don't' let them get up etc..

K) Use your head.

doc_rock · 05-02-2003, 03:00 PM

It's actually kinda cool to see a thread like this pop up, though. Everybody talks a big game about taking care of our own, but going ahead and asking about it, and finding out information so we actually CAN take care of our own is worth it's weight in gold.

BR6 · 05-02-2003, 03:15 PM

Never move them unless they are in harms way! Check for bleeding, fractures, breathing..... If you come across broken bones splint it where it lies... Assure the person that they will be alright, talk to them at all times trying to avoid them going into shock. Send someone to get help... It all really depends on how bad it was though...

CAPTKEN28 · 05-02-2003, 03:22 PM

Quote:

Originally posted by doc_rock
It's actually kinda cool to see a thread like this pop up, though. Everybody talks a big game about taking care of our own, but going ahead and asking about it, and finding out information so we actually CAN take care of our own is worth it's weight in gold.

My thoughts exactly...thus this post....

Just want to be prepared....

Ken

black · 05-02-2003, 04:11 PM

biggest thing..... when chris x went down (ex-mod of philly)... i had no idea of his last name.... i had to have another rider from home post to see if anyone knew him...... emergency contact etc.. it was by luck i found his cellphone and called his parents.....
have an emergency contact in the bike in your jacket etc... philly riders now have a database with all this info...

in terms of confronting the police// the cop at chris;s accident mistakenlt thought askid mark was from him and said he was speeding// i challenged it said it was mine cause it was... make sure the cop writes down everything you have to say...

05-01-2003, 02:00 PM	#1
CAPTKEN28 Wreckless What? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 561	What do you do when a rider goes down??? The last run i went on got me thinking this past week.I watched two riders lowslide in front of me..and when i got off my bike and ran to their aid...i really didn;t know what i could do/ or what to do first.. Are there any medics out there that can briefly list what to do in an emergency? I think this is something all riders should know and any advice would be helpful.. Thanks is advance Ken

05-01-2003, 07:32 PM	#2
Breezio Bandito Man Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Hillsboro, OR Posts: 13,158	screw the bike.. help the rider and don't move them if they are in pain. unless they are in immediate danger from traffic or something. although if the bike is still running.. hit the kill switch as you run past. __________________ -- Jeremy Garfield is my hero!

05-01-2003, 08:08 PM	#3
doc_rock Co-Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 17,700	Being a stunter, I'm around a lot of crashes. Here's what I usually do. First things first, if the rider's not moving, don't touch them, and don't let anybody else touch them. This includes girlfriends/wives/boyfriends/husbands that are out there. If they aren't moving, do NOT touch them. If they are complaining of a particular part of their body hurting (example being an ankle) visually inspect for any major damage (like bones poking through the skin, etc.) Completely support the injured piece (even if it requires help of somebody else. Imagine you are trying to lift a sandcastle, that's how well you need to support it. If they are wearing a boot, or a glove, or something, and you can be sure there's no broken bones brotruding out, remove it. Gently. Carefully. If it starts to hurt while you're removing it, stop. (The real medics on the site are going to tell you NOT to do this, let the paramedics get there and do it right, but if the paramedics take it off, they are liable to cut it off, and for a simple sprain, a $300.00 pair of boots being cut in half is a pain in the neck.) Just play everything by ear. Don't take off their helmt until they are sure their neck isn't messed up. Don't move them until they can sit up on their own, (if they are in the middle of the road, set up bikes around them to block them. If it's only you and them, then you may need to flag down some help). Above all, if there's anything you're NOT sure of, call somebody. Don't move them. Don't do anything unless you are sure of it. __________________ I hate hondas.

05-01-2003, 09:08 PM	#4
Lifter67 Taking you down ! Join Date: Mar 2003 Location: Everywhere Posts: 608	doc has the right idea. DONT MOVE THEM!!!!! that is the worst to do. __________________ Steve *vi et animo* : By Strength and Courage.

05-01-2003, 10:29 PM	#6
doc_rock Co-Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 17,700	I never said move 'em!!!!! Not until they can sit up, and move on their own. I have noticed that a lot of crashes occur in blind corners or on interstates: Places it would be diffucult to stop traffic from either direction. Flag down some help to get the traffic stopped. I try not to move them at all, and let them move themselves. Or if it's something like a hurt foot or leg, help them move themselves. It may seem cold, but a lot of the time I won't get near enough to them they can even touch me until they've calmed down enough to decide where they are hurting. Okaive is 100% right, take a CPR course, and a basic first aid course, don't move the body let them move themselves. This will help you immensely. It's worth whatever small fee they charge for it, if they charge at all. It's really a case by case basis on what you do, and when you do it. The most important thing I can think of, though, above all else: Keep a calm and cool demeanor about yourself. If you panic too, you are useless to whomever is hurt. __________________ I hate hondas. Last edited by doc_rock; 05-01-2003 at 10:33 PM.

05-01-2003, 10:43 PM	#7
CAPTKEN28 Wreckless What? Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Orlando, Fl Posts: 561	Good stuff guys....Keep it coming... Thanks guys Ken

05-01-2003, 10:50 PM	#8
frankie lewczak Figured out how to login Join Date: May 2002 Location: JAX, FL Posts: 63	deleted... __________________ FRANKIE LEWCZAK 2003 BUELL XB9R FIREBOLT Last edited by frankie lewczak; 11-12-2006 at 04:59 AM.

05-02-2003, 08:09 AM	#9
Tungue Forum Newbie Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Pembroke Pines, FL Posts: 17	You guys left out the initial "Oh st! Oh cp! etc." :agree Definitely good advice to keep in mind. :thumbsup __________________ "Life without risk is like no life at all." '02 Yellow/Black GSXR 750 '00 Yellow/Black GSXR 750 (R.I.P. - Tucked Front End) '00 Yellow/Black F4 (R.I.P. - Looped) '88 Red/White/Blue Hurricane (R.I.P. - Inexperience)

05-02-2003, 01:50 PM	#10
liv2day Dum tempus habemus, operemur bonum Join Date: Oct 2002 Location: Portland, OR Posts: 8,460	Doc and Okaive (and others) have given really good advice. Here's my $.02 If the riders are conscious, ask them to tell you their name, address, day of the week, year, etc. Continue to talk with the person as they might be going into shock. Ask them if they feel severe pain anywhere and try to stay as confident as possible (even if you see bones sticking out). It's important to not move them until the paramedics arrive and know the situation. Don't let the injured person move on their own, either. Unless they are certain nothing's broken and are fully aware of their surroundings. And take a CPR class just in case. __________________ LINES Riding a motorcycle is like playing chess. Anyone can learn the moves, but it takes a lifetime to master the game. Avatar courtesy BigD & Tranquil Velocity

05-02-2003, 01:58 PM	#11
Sauron CFCR Moderator Join Date: Apr 2002 Location: Orlando, FL Posts: 2,505	Ken, This is what's in the stickied 'group riding rules' under the CFCR Section (You might want to read the rest too :wink ) If there is an accident.. A) Don't' move the rider unless he cannot breath/impeded helmet in water puddle. mud etc.. (helmet came off something in his mouth)..then keep the neck straight as possible.. B) Know CPR. C) do not pull out anything impaled braches etc... leave them in as pulling them out you may allow more bleeding D) know how to use a tourniquet. E) Call an ambulance be on safe side. F) Search for emergency card inside jacket inside or under seat. G) Turn off bike. shut off lanes of traffic place bike in lanes etc if necessary.... H) Find out where they are taking rider. I) When cops show up.. Have a plan on what your going to tell them, as a group. Everyone has to agree on what your going to say. That's all I'm gonna say about this. J) Don't' take off helmet!! Make sure it goes with them to hospital for docs. Keep talking to them if concussed etc.. don't' let them get up etc.. K) Use your head. __________________ Sealed with a curse as sharp as a knife. Doomed is your soul and damned is your life. -- Lord John Whorfin Last edited by Sauron; 05-02-2003 at 01:59 PM.

05-02-2003, 03:00 PM	#12
doc_rock Co-Administrator Join Date: May 2002 Location: Jacksonville Posts: 17,700	It's actually kinda cool to see a thread like this pop up, though. Everybody talks a big game about taking care of our own, but going ahead and asking about it, and finding out information so we actually CAN take care of our own is worth it's weight in gold. __________________ I hate hondas.

05-02-2003, 03:15 PM	#13
BR6 Still thinks the forum is shiny and new Join Date: Dec 2002 Location: Hotlanta Posts: 301	Never move them unless they are in harms way! Check for bleeding, fractures, breathing..... If you come across broken bones splint it where it lies... Assure the person that they will be alright, talk to them at all times trying to avoid them going into shock. Send someone to get help... It all really depends on how bad it was though... __________________ :usa :wtf :yum :sex :omg

05-02-2003, 04:11 PM	#15
black gets lost easily.... Join Date: Sep 2002 Location: Providence, RI and Cambridge, MA Posts: 4,319	biggest thing..... when chris x went down (ex-mod of philly)... i had no idea of his last name.... i had to have another rider from home post to see if anyone knew him...... emergency contact etc.. it was by luck i found his cellphone and called his parents..... have an emergency contact in the bike in your jacket etc... philly riders now have a database with all this info... in terms of confronting the police// the cop at chris;s accident mistakenlt thought askid mark was from him and said he was speeding// i challenged it said it was mine cause it was... make sure the cop writes down everything you have to say... __________________ Wants to learn to wheelie........ but not fall down

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